Wood elf-huhut ja uskomukset

[The Boss]

Ja saattahan siinä olla semmoinenkin pointti että eivät hillu metsässä pomppien armourit päällä, eivät osallistu kaikkeen metsässä tapahtuvaan mättöön... Tulevat itse taistelukentälle, joissa ne sodat käydään. Myös welffien osalta.

[Mayhemia]

Jaa-a noh kenties saamme hienoja figuja, mutta kuulostaa PG, BG kopiolta joka jonkun on pakko tunkea welffeille. Miksei voi tehdö oikeasti erilaista listaa tai sitten suoraan Armybook: Elves jossa voisi chaoksen tyyliin pistellä mark of darkness, high mark tai mark of woodia porukalle.

[The Boss]

Jaa-a noh kenties saamme hienoja figuja, mutta kuulostaa PG, BG kopiolta joka jonkun on pakko tunkea welffeille. Miksei voi tehdö oikeasti erilaista listaa tai sitten suoraan Armybook: Elves jossa voisi chaoksen tyyliin pistellä mark of darkness, high mark tai mark of woodia porukalle.

No ainakin niitä herbs juttuja on tulossa itemien lisäksi, toivottavasti niitä spritettejä olisi erillaisia esim. tyyliin bloodlines.

[Teclis - High loremaster]

(siellä ne WElf ukot on hemmetin kalleita, mutta huonon T takia ovat suunnilleen vain helppoja victory pointteja....)

Ilmeisesti et ole tajunnut welffien ideaa, nehän juoksevat puskissa viiden miehen ryhmissä, niistä ei tosiaankaan ole helppoa nyhtää victory pointteja. Tuskin ne figut halpenevat uuden listan myötäkään. Ja haltia ei ole haltia jos sillä on yli t3.

Se tässä potuttaaki, kyllä mielestäni haltiat ihmisiä kestävempiä ovat, "but GW said no"

Mutta kun tämä ei ole mielipideasia. Haltiat ovat hentoja. GW on tehnyt näin ja se on ollut näin niin kauan kuin minä voin muistaa. Haltioille vaadit siis nyt t 4:ää? Samaa kuin kääpiöillä, liskoilla, kaaoksella jne.

Ei välttämättä T4, mutta haltioille sopisi hyvin jokin parempi armour kuin heavy armour. Siis pelillisesti ja fluffillisesti, Elffithän ovat erittäin taitavia tekemään tavaroita kuten dwarffit, ja dwarffeillahan on oma armorinsa(gromgil vai mikä liä)

P.S dragon armour on kyllä aika turha

[Mayhemia]

Jaa-a noh kenties saamme hienoja figuja, mutta kuulostaa PG, BG kopiolta joka jonkun on pakko tunkea welffeille. Miksei voi tehdö oikeasti erilaista listaa tai sitten suoraan Armybook: Elves jossa voisi chaoksen tyyliin pistellä mark of darkness, high mark tai mark of woodia porukalle.

No ainakin niitä herbs juttuja on tulossa itemien lisäksi, toivottavasti niitä spritettejä olisi erillaisia esim. tyyliin bloodlines.

Niin ja helffeillä honorit (vai mitkä nyt ovatkaan), delffeillä ei mitään! Paitsi salamurhaaja temple of khainellaa. Eli se niistä savuista. Toivon ettei dryadeja etc. ole pilattu aivan täydellisesti kuten pelkään.

[Biibob HElf]

Jaa-a noh kenties saamme hienoja figuja, mutta kuulostaa PG, BG kopiolta joka jonkun on pakko tunkea welffeille. Miksei voi tehdö oikeasti erilaista listaa tai sitten suoraan Armybook: Elves jossa voisi chaoksen tyyliin pistellä mark of darkness, high mark tai mark of woodia porukalle.

Tämä idea ei oikein toimisi parinkin syyn takia. Minun mielestäni suurin on: chaoksen kaikilla jumalilla on yhteinen päämäärä, vaikka palvovatkin eri jumalia. Chaos pelaa yhteenhiileen, haltioille tämä taas ei kävisi, koska delfit ja helfit ovat verivihollisia keskenään. ja tuskimpa nuo wood elfitkään noita muita haltia rotuja päästävät ilman vastarintaa.
Toinen syy on, että nythän gw pystyy myymään 3 eri kirjaa jokaiselle armeijalle, mutta jos kaikki haltiat yhdistettäisiin, tuotto pienenisi. jotain tähän tyyliin.

[The Captain]

Ei välttämättä T4, mutta haltioille sopisi hyvin jokin parempi armour kuin heavy armour. Siis pelillisesti ja fluffillisesti, Elffithän ovat erittäin taitavia tekemään tavaroita kuten dwarffit, ja dwarffeillahan on oma armorinsa(gromgil vai mikä liä)

Kääpiöt ovat kumminkin Vanhan maailman parhaita seppiä, ja heillä on käytössään huomattavasti runsaammat mineraalivarat kuin Ulthuanissa. Lisäksi kääpiöt jaksavat kantaa raskaampia taakkoja kuin haltiat, joten myös raskas panssari tuottaa vähemmän ongelmia (vielä viime edikassa HA+shield hidasti kaikkia muita kuin kääpiöitä).

Dragon armour ja Ithilmar barding ovat suurhaltioiden tyyliin sopivia, hyviä haarniskoita. Jotenkin minun on vaikea kuvitella haltiaa raskaassa, hitaassa ja kömpelössä täyslevyhaarniskassa.

Eivät kaikki armeijat tarvitse mundaania 4+ armouria.

[The Boss]

Kääpiöt ovat kumminkin Vanhan maailman parhaita seppiä, ja heillä on käytössään huomattavasti runsaammat mineraalivarat kuin Ulthuanissa. Lisäksi kääpiöt jaksavat kantaa raskaampia taakkoja kuin haltiat, joten myös raskas panssari tuottaa vähemmän ongelmia.

Jotkut taistelevat voimalla jotkut viisaudella, haltiat voisivat ihan hyvin takoa haarniskoja vaikka jostain mithrillin tyyppisestä aineesta joka on kestävää sekä kevyttä.
Kalliiksi tulisi mutta niin varmasti myös moni muukin panssari. En itke enkä kerjää, vaan totean mahdollisuuden.

Jos joku tulee väittämään että sellaista mineralia ei ole olemassa warhammerworldissä niin äkkiäkös keksii... LoTR:ssä toteutus täydellinen, haltiat oman armourinsa kanssa kestävämpiä kuin moni muu rotu, ampuvat parhaiten vaikka voima jousessa ei niin kova kuin urukin varsijousessa. Urukhai tappaa 17.5 % todennäköisyydellä haltian pitkältä matkalta, kun taas haltia 22.6% varmuudella urukhain samalta matkalta (perustuu siihen hittaukseen).

[Chade]

Jos joku tulee väittämään että sellaista mineralia ei ole olemassa warhammerworldissä niin äkkiäkös keksii...

Itse asiassa on jo olemassa. Ithilmar, tai sky silver, kuten sitä myös kutsutaan. Aika paljon mithrilin kaltaista, mutta ei yhtä kevyttä ja kestävää, eli siitä tehdyt panssarit ovat kyllä kestäviä ja kevyitä, mutta eivät kuitenkaan niin kestäviä, kuin kääpiöiden tähtiraudasta (gromril) takomat panssarit tai kaaoksen riimutetut taikavoimapanssarit. Jos tarkasti muistellaan, niin vielä 5th edition aikaan kaikki raskaat panssarit (heavy armour) suurhaltioiden arsenaalissa oli tehty ithilmarista, sillä tavallisesta raudasta tehty panssari, siis jopa sellainen mitä ihmiset käyttävät, olisi hidastanut haltioita liikaa. Tästä pääsenkin näpäyttämään Kapteenia:

vielä viime edikassa HA+shield hidasti kaikkia muita kuin kääpiöitä

Eipä hidastanut suurhaltioita...

Sinällään voidaan miettiä, miksi ihmiset nykyään saavat 4+ mundane panssarin. Kääpiöt ja kaaos sen ansaitsevat, mutta eivät mielestäni normaalit all-common ihmiset.

[VonLexuza]

Ainakin jos huhut pitävät paikkaansa, on tulossa hyvinkin mielenkiintoinen armeija. Itseäni ei tosin haltiat kiinnosta vieläkään pätkääkään, mutta aina tällaisia rotuja on kiva nähdä lisää. Toivottavasti figut tulevat olemaan yhtä hienoja kuin luvataan. :I

[Elvood]

Vonguntaa..... joku nyt äkkiä jotakin mielekästä asiaan liittyvää tännekkin!!

[jullevi]

Seuraavaa informaatiorypästä voi odottaa ilmestyvän kahden viikon päästä Games Day Atlantan seminaarien jälkipuinnissa. Veikkaan, että Lustria-kampanja on pääpuheenaiheena FB-seminaarissa, mutta toisaalta on myös jokseenkin odotettavaa että ainakin joka toinen studiolle osoitettu kysymys tulee koskemaan kaaoskä...metsähaltioita.

[Morhgoz]

Tässä uusia huhuja, enimmäkseen WE:stä joten postaisn tänne... Osa taitaa olla jo mainittuja, mutta en kerkeä nyt kiireen vuoksi ruveta erittelemään noita. Tekstiä kun noissa on aika reippaasti...

Ok here goes : (LONG, but some are the same things, I'll start with the newest rumors)

They apparently sculpted a ton of Wood Elf character models. 4 mages and 4 combat characters according to Phil.

-Not sure this has been indicated before but Dryads apparently will still have a 5+ armor save in addition to the 5+ ward they now will get. Phil described them as scary hags, not quite what I was hoping for but who knows what they will actually look like.

-There is indeed a Hero level Forest spirit. I forget what he called it but it's essentially a dryad hero. The Lord level Treeman is called an Ancient, and there is still a rare choice Treeman, meaning to get a treeman you don't have to take the Lord level one.

-The Marco Columbo model will be rereleased in limited quantities via Mail Order when the Lustria book comes out. He was only available in Spain, but they are now going to release him more widely.

-The Machine of the Old Ones, big machine strapped to a dinosaur that has been floating around is deffinetly a conversion. Phil said there is no model for it. He mentioned it has the ability to call down meteorites. Perhaps ala Comet of Cassandora?

-The New plastic High Elf Bolt Thrower is way cooler than the old metal one. There is actually a ton of detail on it. The sprues come with a ton of accesory items, including a cool new elf head with flowing hair. The pictures that floated around a while ago where obviously work in progress shots, because the real model is very cool. The Bolts actually look like sword blades with arrow shafts attatched to them, and the thrower is made to hold about six of them on the top. It really does look like a "repeating" bolt thrower now.

-The new Skaven plague monks are really cool looking. The picture on the GW site doesn't do them justice. The models really do look suitably plaguey, they just weren't painted all that well. Some of the arms have boils, and all the robes are actually fairly tattered, it just doesn't show in their picture. Each sprue comes with a ton of accesories. You get a bunch of tiny rats to make rat swarms, including a very tiny skaven with a knife. It also comes with a bunch of staffs about six on each sprue. Not sure what they are for other than banner poles but they look really warped and sickly looking.

-The new plastic Rat Ogres are fantastic. The box comes with two Rat Ogres and three packmasters. The Ogres have so many different arm choices its mind boggling, and just like the Plague monks they have tons of accessories.

-The Lustria Book sounds very cool. The new "encounters" phase seems pretty funny. Apparently both players have "encounter points" which they use to cause encounters on the game board, and hoepfully to their enemy. He didn't go into too many details but did say that the "encounters" remain in play for the rest of the game, possibly affecting either side if they get near it. The one example he used was quick sand. Which, according to Phil, causes any unit within a certain distance of the encounter token to take an armor save. If they pass they die.

Glade Guard will be the only cavalry.
The sisters with the same soul are fact.
The "Winter Guard" are actually The Eternal Guard, and dance around with extremely large staffs topped with scythed blades.
New cavalry models (that's horses s well as riders).
Army books and Battalion sets at the end of July/beginning of August, with scaled release due for the GB Games Day.

There is more:

Orion is returning, but Ariel is not, hehe, as far as I can remember a direct quote was "she was always very lovely and into healing etc, she doesn't really fit into the new wood elf picture of violent death".
The Lore of Athel Loren...
And the Elk Riders that people mention...Glade Riders are the only cavalry, whether they are now riding these Elk, I do not know, I forgot to ask that specific question.

- UK WE release in JULY
2 - North America WE release in AUGUST
(this is like the OK were released in the UK in DEC and NA in JAN)
3 - The forest spirit only and elf only and mixed list possibilities are indeed true
4 - Treeman Lord, 7"-9" tall model (SWEET!!!) definitely going to be taller and bulkier than the Treebeard model.
5 - ENTIRE MODEL RANGE HAS BEEN REDONE, every unit will have new models
6 - Army and Battalion boxes will be available
7 - The biggest army redesign GW has ever done... top to bottom...

By Grendelstalking, I think here his name is Grendel) :

Was just at MPLS GT and these are some confirmations:

Book release will be July, and their unveiling will be at Chicago GT/GD.

The Wood Elf lore of magic - very defensive, one of the spells will double US.

This is confirmed - there will be a monster unit (The White Stag? - They said it was a whtie stag of some sort) like the Green Knight that is on a monster base that has special abilities (leading some sort of Great Hunt?). Other than that they only saw models, and didn't really review the book that thouroughly.

The Elk Riders (?) will be our version of Heavy Cav, and will not be Core, probably Special.

Orion is returning, but no word yet on any other special characters.

Treeman lord choice is confimed. May only be for certain lists.

Winter guard list is confirmed.

(Some more things by Gravefiller):

On to rumors.....

Hmmm.........seems we may have been victims of misinformation here. First, I do not doubt what heard, but I received contrary info to some of your points, or rather just one of them.

The good news............I now believe the release date, as pointed put by Grendel is most certianly true. I, too had thought for months it was late in the year, but pre-GT, I started to hear alot about a late summer release date, some of it by a source I have that is fairly trustyworthy. Redshirts there confirmed this.........for what it's worth.

White Stag ............people I talked to there, either denied, or didn't know. what I was told about our presumed harder hitting cav, was that they would be some type of ogre sized "mini-tree" thingy.

Other news.

Warhawks: plastic, riders metal. Kinda beleive this one, no idea about stat changes. But very cool looking.

Wardancers: core, plastic, dynamic poses!! Also extremely well done. In fact...just consider that from what I was told, and from what has been seen is all pretty stunning. Good deal.

Dryads: pretty much what we've heard, plastic, more female like, not as hard hitting, core if ypu choose the all spirit army for sure, not so sure if you want to build the spirit-elf mixed army.

Elk riders: They didn't know anything about them.

The Wood Elf lore of magic - very defensive, one of the spells will double US.

This is confirmed - there will be a monster unit (The White Stag? - They said it was a whtie stag of some sort) like the Green Knight that is on a monster base that has special abilities (leading some sort of Great Hunt?). Other than that they only saw models, and didn't really review the book that thouroughly.

The Elk Riders (?) will be our version of Heavy Cav, and will not be Core, probably Special.

Orion is returning, but no word yet on any other special characters.

Treeman lord choice is confimed. May only be for certain lists.

Winter guard list is confirmed.

26.07.04 wrote:
A few people asked questions about WE and got suprisingly large amounts of info, GW are just starting play testing with them and we were told a few cool bits of info:

1: they are definately getting their own spell law

2: They'll lose no -1 at long range but get no -1 for moving and will get bonuses for closer range (unspecified) the idea is to get WE to perform more hit and run rather than standing on the opposite table edge and shooting.

3: There will be lord, hero, core, special and rare non-elf units i.e. a lord tree spirit etc. allowing WE to take all elf, all tree sprits or a mixture of the two.

4: The models are going to be much more dynamic to look like they're jumping out of the woods for a few shots before running away.


20.08.04 wrote:
Having recently spoken to guys who've seen the archer sprue:
-Apparently WE archers are going to be the most detailed plastic sprue GW have ever done.
-The spure includes many poses uncommon to plastic since WE will skirmish, such as kneeling archers, no single pose bret archers.
-The guys mentioned foliage and stuff also on the sprue.
-Likely 16 per box.
-Killing blow at short range, lack 36" range.

Other WE stuff:
-Very celtic as has already been suggested.
-Dryads, Naiads(spelling?)- a hero type are very lithe, thin and female.
-There was another type of dryad mentioned.
-No Gladeguard.

I'm not sure how much of this was speculative, but since both guys have recently spent a lot of time at HQ I think it's probably true.


30.08.04 wrote:
Wood Elves:
As already mentioned, Anthony Renolds is working on the WE armybook and he "has a lot of fun doing that".
One of the reasons why WE are one of the last armybooks on the shedule is that they are not really a that popular army (I guess same could be said about Chaos Dwarfs and DoW) and that one army has to be the last...

According to Gav, there'll not be Centaurs in the WE army, but there'll be the mentioned "Elves + Forrest-folk = WE army book" thing.


30.08.04 wrote:
@WE miniatures:
They are currently producing WE miniatures, but it's all about 3-up models atm. Iirc the WE will be designed using the old style casting process as well.

While there'll not be any Centaurs in the army, the miniature range will be completely redone and Gav said that we'd most likely not be dissapointed by the final result.


16.09.04 wrote:
I had also heard the rumors of darker fluff, which I also find very promising. However, I was trying to keep my list to fluff that is already definitively part of the army, rather then potential future fluff.

Then again, this is wood elf rumors. So the rumors I have heard about wood elf fluff will be that there is a dangerous forest spirit/god, something of a dark heart of the wood that the wood elves serve while simultaneously holding it in check with the waystones.

Orion and Ariel will be elves who sold their souls to this being, rather then avatars of Kurneous and Isha, which is pretty much fine by me, as the roll of mortal representative of Isha was already filled.

Overall this will give wood elves a dark, dangerous feel, taking them out of the "good guys" category and putting them into the "neutral" category. Matching this change in fluff tone will be a grim, savage look to the new models.

At least that's the rumor. I like it, though I'm not sure exactly how reliable it is.


02.10.04 wrote:
Just surfing the net, and came across these on Dakka.

A few people asked questions about WE and got suprisingly large amounts of info, GW are just starting play testing with them and we were told a few cool bits of info:

1: they are definately getting their own spell law

2: They'll lose no -1 at long range but get no -1 for moving and will get bonuses for closer range (unspecified) the idea is to get WE to perform more hit and run rather than standing on the opposite table edge and shooting.

3: There will be lord, hero, core, special and rare non-elf units i.e. a lord tree spirit etc. allowing WE to take all elf, all tree sprits or a mixture of the two.

4: The models are going to be much more dynamic to look like they're jumping out of the woods for a few shots before running away.


03.10.04 wrote:
I'm sure that someone will better this but I've just got home from the Birmingham NIA and thought that you would like a little run down of what I remember.

* Portent got mentioned a couple of times in the Warhammer seminar. The first was when they were showing a Wood Elf concept sketch which they assured us they had produced themselves not lifted from Portent. The second was when the guy with a notepad that was sitting next to me asked a question, the GW bloke with the microphone came over and jokingly said "don't tell him he's writing it all down for Portent" they answered his question anyway though. I don't however know if his note were for the benifit of this website though. I thought that you guys my be glad to know that you got a bit of recognotion as a community and of course this was a backhanded confirmation that they read these boards
* Wood Elves will follow the Lustria book, the entire range is being redone and added to, they will lose their ability to shoot at long range with no penalty but instead will be able to move and shoot with no penalty. You will be able to field an all Wood Elf or all Athel Loren army or a mixture of the two. The WE are not good or bad more more akin to a force of nature like the sea. They consider the current army is not very fun to play against and wish to introduce more elements designed to be in HTH to counter this. They will have light cav and a unit that acts in a similar fashion to heavy cav but NO chariots.


04.10.04 wrote:
Anthony Reynolds, who is writing the (Wood Elf) Army Book, gave us a few insights at GD:

-1 to hit at long range is confirmed, as is no move or fire penalty. He is aware that WE can be frustrating to fight against and he plans to lessen this by making it more attractive for WE players to "move closer".

Larger minimum size of units.

Glade Riders will have a heavier option.

Wardancers and Dryads will be made more different - he said they have too similar a role at the mo.

WE magic will be Athel Loren flavoured - but he admitted Treesinging was too powerful.

He was aware that Glade Guard are over-priced and under-used - he will fix this.

Two "sizes" of treeman.

New units which I inferred were tree-spirits-based.

There will be three types of army you can choose - Shooty skirmishing (I guess like now), more meaty HTH army or wood spirit army (no elves at all)

Waywatchers will be able to shoot from 4" inside a wood......

You can upgrade your general to be a waywatcher (skill or magic item I dunno).....

Characters will have access to different arrow types like armour piercing etc..

Tree singing will enable WE to "move" woods on the table - once per wood per turn.

The minis will be darker in look with a more sinister black leather and cloaks type thing

[Averren]

OHHOH! Nyt räjähti pankki!

Kuulostaa ihan liian houkuttelevalta. Tulisivat epelit nyt nopeasti. Kiitos tiedoista Morhgoz =).

[Morhgoz]

"I here only to serve..."

[Elvood]

JULY! oh se on lähellä!!

[Morhgoz]

JULY! oh se on lähellä!!

Nämä edelleenkin ovat huhuja, eivät faktoja... Ei kannata pettyä jos eivät ole totta. Vaikkakin luulisin suurimman osan olevan enimmäkseen totta...

[saimon]

Toivottavasti eivät hirveästi tota julkaisua siirrä, vaikuttaa nimittäin tosi mielenkiintoselta.

[Mayhemia]

No nyt kuulostaa jo joltain, tosin olen hieman pettynyt tuosta fluffista. Toivottavasti se hoidetaan paremmin miltä kuulostaa, potentiaalia on sekä loistaa että munata. Älkää tehkö toista delf armeijaa tästä...

[Elvood]

No nyt kuulostaa jo joltain, tosin olen hieman pettynyt tuosta fluffista. Toivottavasti se hoidetaan paremmin miltä kuulostaa, potentiaalia on sekä loistaa että munata. Älkää tehkö toista delf armeijaa tästä...

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