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Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Gobboille uusi squig-linko. Katapultit eivät ole enää mitään!!!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/N ... GOBBA.html

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Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Gobboille uusi squig-linko. Katapultit eivät ole enää mitään!!!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/N ... GOBBA.html

omfg, siis squiggi joka ampuu squikkeja? MUST HAVE!

Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Monsteri itse on melko pehmoinen(T5 W4), mutta lyö kuin squigin pitää :)

Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Gobboille uusi squig-linko. Katapultit eivät ole enää mitään!!!
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/N ... GOBBA.html

smaxx kirjoitti:

Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Gobboille uusi squig-linko. Katapultit eivät ole enää mitään!!!
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/N ... GOBBA.html

Ikävästi toi pisteraja mahtuu Border Patrol matsiin, ja siihen toi kuulostaa vähän julmalta laitteelta. Ei sallita BP -pariturnaukseen :)

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smaxx kirjoitti:

Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Gobboille uusi squig-linko. Katapultit eivät ole enää mitään!!!
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/N ... GOBBA.html

Ikävästi toi pisteraja mahtuu Border Patrol matsiin, ja siihen toi kuulostaa vähän julmalta laitteelta. Ei sallita BP -pariturnaukseen :)

Mites jos pelais 100% Night Goblin armeijaa, Bosseineen kaikkineen? Saisko silloin tuoda kentälle näitä Forgen vehkeitä Experimental-säännöillä ja ihan normaalien pisterajojen puitteissa? ;)-ile

smaxx kirjoitti:

ile kirjoitti:

smaxx kirjoitti:

Niblebitzer kirjoitti:Gobboille uusi squig-linko. Katapultit eivät ole enää mitään!!!
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/N ... GOBBA.html

Ikävästi toi pisteraja mahtuu Border Patrol matsiin, ja siihen toi kuulostaa vähän julmalta laitteelta. Ei sallita BP -pariturnaukseen :)

Mites jos pelais 100% Night Goblin armeijaa, Bosseineen kaikkineen? Saisko silloin tuoda kentälle näitä Forgen vehkeitä Experimental-säännöillä ja ihan normaalien pisterajojen puitteissa? ;)-ile

Kauniisti pyytämällä ja hyvin perustelemalla saa yleensä tahtonsa läpi ! Jos listassa on muuten otettu epäoptimaalista, ei toi peliä riko.

Harry kirjoitti:Let me try and do something about that ... by offering some more words of hope.

I got to thinking it is possible some of you have not been alive long enough to have played a game in 3rd edition warhammer.
Let me tell you how this worked in 3rd Edition.
In 3rd Edition we had One book called 'Warhammer Armies'.
It was 162 pages of hardbound lovliness and you didn't need to work out to carry it around.
It had all the armies (11 at the time) 14 Allied contingents and 11 mercenary contingents and a bestiary section for Monsters all in one book.

The way you selcted an army was to agree woth your opponent how big a game you wanted to play. Then agree what catagories you wanted to pick troops from.

You could just a play a standard game and pick from one army list as the only compulsory choices where Rank and file and characters from the main list for you army.

Everyone happy so far? :D

BUT you could agree with you opponent to take choices from other catagories. (and you would agree a % that could be spent).

The catagories were allied contingents, mercenary contingents and ... Monsterous hosts and Ethereal hostss. (Ghosts/Undead).
All vey exciting so far!

However armies were not allowed to pick their allies willy nilly ... (No High elves and Chaos daemons back then!) Oh no! Here is how it broke down ....

Wood Elves choose from:
Allies :High elves, Halflings and Zoat Contingents
Hosts: Boars, Bears, Warhounds, Eagles etc. and ethereals.

Dark Elves could choose from:
Allies chaos, Skaven, Undead and Fimir contingents.
Mercenaries: Nippon, Hobgoblin and Ogre ontingents.
Hosts: Cold ones, spiders, Giants bats etc. Ethereals OR Chaotic Monsters Cockatrices, Hapries, Hydras etc.

The Empire could choose from:
Allies: Haflings, old worlders and Wood elves
Mercenaries: Dwarves, Norse, 'Old Worlders' and Ogres.
Hosts: Bears, Warhounds etc.

Ocs and Goblins could have:
Allies Chaos Skaven and Fimir allies.
Mercenaries: Giants, Half Orcs, Hobgoblins, Ogres, and other orcs.
Hosts: oars, Wolcves spides

Chaos could have:
Allies: Other Chaos, Skaven, Daark elves, Undead, Orcs and Goblins.
Mercenaries: Ginats, hobgoblins, Ogres, Half Orcs and orcs.
Hosts: Ethereals and Chaotic monsters.

I won't list them all but you get the picture. Characterful yet sensible options and restrictions .... not a completely free choice.
Having said that I remember more than one game where we allowed allied contingents outside the 'allowed' combinations because those were the figures we had and then developed the narrative to expalin it.... and a couple of games where we put all the good guys and all the bad guys we had on the table and ignored all restrictions ... why the hell wouldn't you.

However if you wanted to stick to the rules you could. Even if you and your opponent agreed to use contingents you still had to stay inside army guidlines that set a limit of a maximum fraction of your force that could be allies or monsters. so even if you choose to use other catagories you never really lost the flavour of the main army.

The main lists had bazillions of options, The allies lists had much fewer and the mercenary contingent lists wee quite small.
The contingent lists also tended to be made up of the troop choices you were most likely to see abroad and out and about. So not the rarest options in the main armies list. (Thus fears of multiple multiple steam tanks in every army should not be allowed to fester).

So I can see this all working out in a similar way. Just brought up to date with all that has changed in the last 25 years
Could be one book? Could be two books as there was not much crossover between the good guys and the bad guys in the allies options.
But I can see (and dream of) a third and seperate book of mercenaries which everyone can 'buy' into.
Giants, Ogres, Orcs, Hobgoblins, Dwarves, Norse, Tilea, Estalia, Kislev, Araby, Cathay.
I guess it could include other Dogs of war and regiments of renown that were available at a price.
Even these seem to split into good guys and bad guys pretty easy without much crossover. So no reason it needs to be a different book?

I know it all seems like a very different direction for Warhammer but it really isn't. It's just all been forgotton.
Don't get me wrong I have loved the army books but any encourgaement to pick allies and mercenaries and build exciting narrative driven armies again is most welcome. (by me at least).
Not everything about 3rd edition was good ... Magic was a shocker for example.
I hope they may be taking the chance to look back through the different editions to recapture all that was best about Warhammer.

Morze kirjoitti:Kyllä varmaan harmittaa niitä, jotka uusimman helffikirjan ostivat, jos kirja menee jo muutama kuukauden päästä vanhaksi. Mutta mitäs ostivat GWtä. Sikäli "kaikki saa jotain kerralla" julkaisusysteemi olisi tasapainon ja tasapuolisuuden kannalta hyvä juttu, mutta tälläinen huijaaminen ja salailu on tasan sitä, mitä firmalta osaa odottaa.

Juhaaha kirjoitti:onko sulla jotain lädettä tukemaan väittämääsi, muukun että kaverini viljami sanoi näin