Warhammer 8'th edition kesällä 2010

[Mithrandir]

Jos oletetaan että GW toteuttaisikin nuo skirmarit noin, niin varmasti julkaisevat semmoisen liikutusalustan jossa neliön(1"x1") muotoiset lokerot ja johon saa mahdutettua viisi-kymmenen skirmaajaa(ostamalla kaksi alustaa saat niistä askartelemalla 15-20 skirmaajalle sopivan, £_£ ) ja lempinimeksi pelaajien parissa: "Jääpalateline." Tekevät ehkä toisen samanmoisen niitä harvoja skirmaajia varten joilla isommat alustat.

Tuommoisen kanssa olisi sitten erittäin helppoa siirtää ne skirmish -muodostelmassa olevat napit rankkeihin. Eikä edes välttämättä tarvitse varsinaisia lokeroita olla, kunhan on neliönmuotoiset viivat alustan pohjassa.

Tämmöisten alustojen tekeminen olisi ihan hyvä bisnes varsinkin kun niitä saisi näin "mainioilla" säännöillä pakko-ostatettua kaikille vanhoillekin pelaajille.

Kieltämättä tämmöinen uusi muodostelma skirmaajille tekisi niistä niin vastenmielisen oloisia ettei olisi enää mielekästä niitä käyttää lainkaan. Toisaalta taas juuri siitä syystä saattaisivat saada hyvitystä uusien ominaisuuksien muodossa, joita voisi olla vaikkapa kyky saada ihan normaalisti rankkiboonuksia! :D

Tämmöinen uudistus tekisi skirmaajista sen verran hyviä, että powerpelaajat varsinkin ostaisivat niitä liikutusalustoja roppakaupalla saadakseen useamman 20 hengen skirmaajaporukan armeijaansa. £_£

Tai sitten tämmöisellä muodostelmauudistuksella pyritään vaan tasapainottamaan sitä että uudessa laitoksessa kylkeen koukkaavat skirmaajat olisi turhan tehokkaita lyödessään kahdesta rivistä, ja siitä syystä nerffikeppiä. Ah joo, pitää varmaan ottaa vielä huomioon että lentävät ryhmät saattavat käyttää samaa muodostelmaa myös jos yhä liikkuvat kuin skirmaajat, joten olisihan noille erikoisalustoille ihan mukavasti kohderyhmää tarjolla.

[abcdefg]

Heitän skirmisherini roskiin, mikäli joudun tällaista rulea katsomaan uudessa kirjasessa...

[Mithrandir]

Ehkä GW sinun tahtoo just noin tekevänkin, sillä eihän sitä tiedä, jos tulevissa armeijakirjoissa sitten olisi poikkeuksia näihin muodostelmasääntöihinkin ja joudut ostamaan uudet skirmarit. ;)

Saapa nyt nähdä, ihan hyvin tuo huhu voi olla väärässäkin ja oikea sääntö mennä vaan niin että skirmisher -figujen on pysyteltävä 1" sisällä toisistaan, ei kantsi vielä masentua.

[abcdefg]

Ei ei, itselläni on vain ja ainoastaan parisen sataa euroa menny skirmareihin, joten turha sitä on ragettaa mikäli roskistavaraksi joutuvat...

[jullevi]

En julistaisi Skirmishereitä tai mitään muutakaan yksikköä roskistavaraksi ennen kuin lopulliset säännöt on selvillä ja useampi testipeli takana. Kaikkiin huhuihin kannattaa toistaiseksi suhtautua varauksella. Vaikka jokin yksittäinen huhu olisikin totta, niin sen lopullinen vaikutus selviää vasta kun tietää miten muut yksiköt muuttuvat.

[sippa]

Fear-testin muuttaminen on parasta mitä uusi edikka voi tuoda. Uskomatonta, että osasivat. Nykyinen fear on unplayable.

Pelaan Tomb Kingsseillä ja ainoa hyvä puoli jalkaväessäni on nimenomaan tuo fear. TK:n jalkaväki on kallista, heikkoa ja hidasta mutta pelottavaa. Okei, ne juokse karkuun, mutta se on laiha lohtu sillä halvimmillaankin yksi jalkaväkinappi maksaa 8pts.

[Tankki]

Ehkä noinkin, mutta TK:t ovat jo lähiaikoina saamasssa uuden kirjansa ja jalkaväki on saamassa ilmeisesti erittäin roiman pistehinta alennuksen, joten tyi Fearin muuttuminen ei heikennä jalkaväen suorituskykyä liikaa.

[Lord of Carcassonne]

Taitaa se skirmish formation huhu pitää paikkansa. katsokaa Warhammer announce 2010 trailer youtubesta...katsokaa tarkkaaaaaan....Ungor raiders ja dark elf shadet on huhutussa formationissa

[Sotahullu]

Näköjään se on totta ja näköjään myös harpyt myös.

[Gilaelin]

Jaahas :D. Mitähän metsähaltiat sitten pelaavat seuraavaan kirjaansa saakka, joka ilmestyy vuosikymmenenä x? Varmaan kait sitten lipullisia mannunvartijoita ja ikikaartia, koska dryadithan saavuttivat juuri sen aallonpohjan, jonne ne olivat olleet matkalla aina seiskalaitoksen alusta saakka.

Mutta eipä kai siinä. Pelaan nykyään about saman verran hammerin vitoslaitosta, mitä nykyistä, joten ei uusi laitos kirpaise niin paljon. Jo pari edikan vaihdota nähneenä nyt olin muutenkin jo varautunut siihen, että joku yksikkö joutuu hetkeksi hyllylle. Lisäksi jos nyt tahdon jossain hämärässä mielenhäiriössä leikkiä turnauspelaajaa, voin aina marssittaa kentälle jalohaltiat. Kaveripelissä, joita pelaan muutenkin Herran kiitos enemmän, voin nyt onneksi heittää kentälle mitä tauhkaa tahansa, kun saman tasoista scheisseä se vastustajakin kuitenkin pelaa.

[abcdefg]

Hyvästi jää skirmari-kulta, paljon hyvää sain mä sulta.

[zewe]

Vaikea uskoa että tuollainen sääntö päätyisi kirjaan, koska kyllä ne nyt pelitestaa noita sääntöjä... Kaikki ottaa taas liian totena nuo huhut, vaikka kokemuksesta kaikki varmaan tietää, että iso osa huhuista on kumminkin aina erilaista siitä lopputuloksesta. Osa noista uusista uudistuksista vaikuttaa sen verran hyviltä, että olen tällä hetkellä suht optimistinen uuden edikan suhteen. Pari asiaa nyt häiritsee, mutta varmaan unohtuu sitten, kun on muutaman pelin pelannut

[jullevi]

Vaikea uskoa että tuollainen sääntö päätyisi kirjaan, koska kyllä ne nyt pelitestaa noita sääntöjä...

Eivät pelitestaus ja rajatussa muodostelmassa liikkuvat skirmisherit ole toisensa poissulkevia vaihtoehtoja. On täysin mahdollista, että sääntöä on pelitestattu pitkään ja hartaasti ja sen on lopulta todettu olevan pelin kannalta parempi kuin vanha. Aika näyttää.

[LAV-Kitsune-]

Onhan tässä myös sellainen mahdollisuus, että skirmarit on tuossa videossakin vain laitettu noin siksi että ne näyttää muiden ryhdikkäästi aseteltujen joukkojen kanssa hyvältä. GW:hän on harjoittanut tällaista sommittelua armeijakirjoissa ja sääntiksissä aivan alusta alkaen. Tyyliin kuvia missä armeijat lähestyvät toisiaan 45 asteen kulmassa niin, että kaikki näkyy nätisti ja edustavasti edestä päin. Hassultahan tuo tuntuisi, että skirmarit saavat nerffivasaraa, kun ne eivät kuitenkaan niin ylivoimaisia ja peliäratkaisevia ole olleet tässä pelissä muutenkaan. Jos nyt positiivisesti ajattelee, niin saattaahan ne skirmarit saada tuon ohella jotain buffiakin, esimerkiksi rank bonukset lähitaistelussa siitä hyvästä että muuttuvat muuten vähän tönkömmiksi.

[Mithrandir]

Niinpä, ihan hyvin voi olla niin että tuo muodostelmahuhu on saanut alkunsa tuosta esittelyvideosta tehdyn analyysin pohjalta, ja siihen videoon ne on vaan aseteltu mahdollisimman näyttävästi, eikä siihen käytännön muodostelmaan joka kuvissa olisi vaan sekava klimppi figuja.

Oli miten oli, minä ainakin valmistaudun 8. edikkaan olettamalla että kaikki armeijani menevät täysin pilalle niin tulee sitten positiivisiakin ylläreitä vastaan. :)

[Lord of Carcassonne]

olipa säännöt mitkä vain sääntökirjassa, aion pelata uusilla säännöillä vähintään 10 peliä ennen kun aion kommentoida lopullisia sääntöjä tai mahdollista jatkoa.

Siinä monet teistä on oikeassa että liian moni tekee päätöksen sen mukaan mitä lukee mustaa valkoisena. Kannattaa testata sääntöjä. Voi olla että uudet säännöt olisivatkin kivat. Mutta olen risto salosen kanssa samaa mieltä että pelit voivat kestää hiukan kauemmin kuin ennen. Mutta sen näkee aikanaan kun kirja ja pdf:ton kaikkien käsillä ja pelin sääntöjä on jokseenkin peliporukoissa testattu

Bretti pelaajana mua ei haittaa tuo skirmarien mahdollinen formation muutos. sinänsä toi vaan tuo haastetta niiden käyttöön ja skirmarithan saa rank bonukset siinä missä muutkin. ennen skirmarit eivät saaneet rank bonuksia...

[Lord of Carcassonne]

Niinpä, ihan hyvin voi olla niin että tuo muodostelmahuhu on saanut alkunsa tuosta esittelyvideosta tehdyn analyysin pohjalta, ja siihen videoon ne on vaan aseteltu mahdollisimman näyttävästi, eikä siihen käytännön muodostelmaan joka kuvissa olisi vaan sekava klimppi figuja.

Oli miten oli, minä ainakin valmistaudun 8. edikkaan olettamalla että kaikki armeijani menevät täysin pilalle niin tulee sitten positiivisiakin ylläreitä vastaan. :)

Onhan tuo totta mutta en usko että tuo on vain mainostamista. tossa voi olla gw:n mahdollisia piilo vinkkejä uudesta laitoksesta josta pelaajat jne voivat vain arvella mitä tuleman pitää. Mutta et kuitenkaan ole täysin väärässä. voi olla vain mainostamisenkin takia. who knows :/

[zewe]

Vaikea uskoa että tuollainen sääntö päätyisi kirjaan, koska kyllä ne nyt pelitestaa noita sääntöjä...

Eivät pelitestaus ja rajatussa muodostelmassa liikkuvat skirmisherit ole toisensa poissulkevia vaihtoehtoja. On täysin mahdollista, että sääntöä on pelitestattu pitkään ja hartaasti ja sen on lopulta todettu olevan pelin kannalta parempi kuin vanha. Aika näyttää.

Ei tietenkään, mutta kuulostaa liian kummaliselta ja hankalalta käytännössä

[abcdefg]

Skirmaavat scoutit saadaan melkein deplotettua tulevaisuudessa terrainin taakse

[Lord of Carcassonne]

Pieni päivitys taas huhuista mitä oli warseerissa...

Note: This is only a summary of rumours that have been discussed in recent months. Rumours are subject to change. They are only 100% correct when they are facts.

NOTE: My use of (confirmed) next to something is an attempt to sort out the rumours that have a lot more support than others. It does not mean 100% that it will happen. Blame GW and their sneaky ways.

I have tried to take out all the ones that have been quickly discredited, and a lot of this comes from reliable sources (who have been contradictory). Just so I am clear, none of what follows are rumours from me, they are all from other people.

Take with as much salt as is necessary, and don't blame me if any of it is wrong.

Note as well that none of the names of rules below are official, I just put something fun there for reference when I was collating.

Updating this: Much as I'd like to have the time and motivation to read all rumour discussions, PLEASE PM ME here with info, only if there is a significant rumour discussion from someone you guys really trust. I know there are snippets coming out in the general discussion here, and on many other forums. So rather than have to trawl across the web every few days, if you guys want this updated you will need to pm me with the info. I will try and keep ontop of things.

Note as well that unlike the other thread this is only for rumour discussion for the 8th edition rulebook itself. Not what armies are getting which releases (save that for the other thread).

More reliable rumours
Army construction is moving back to percentages.
Strength in Depth/ Stepping up (models may fight in 2 ranks)
Crush attack for larger creatures
40mm models moving to 3 model-wide ranks.
Multiple objective driven scenarios in the rulebook
All non-english rulebooks are moving to inches.
Power dice aren’t generated by the number of spellcasters. The pool is decided by 2D6. Magic users add their magic level to the score rolled. All Wizards have a chance to generate more power dice.
All missile units fire in two ranks (not just High Elves). Missile units will not gain a rank when shooting from hills.
Autobreaking from fear or terror is gone.
Combats are strictly decided in initiative order.

Warhammer 8th Ed Rulebook to be released July 10th
528+ pages. Full colour
Possibly going to get the pdf erratas for all armies on July 6th
Introduction games for Warhammer 8th edition starting around May 22nd (only one scenario apparently)
Copies for Staff available early May
The book is up for advance order from a swedish store. £45.

There will be a "General's" Edition as well as a "Gunner's" Edition: Both are the basic rulebook along with multiple different gimmicks, as golden templates, dice, angulometer, combat-resolution-calculator, markers and more. "General's Edition" is supported with a white linen bag with two silver coins attached to it, so if you fall in battle, they may put them on your eyes...


Other rumours (and description of above)

These are all listed in no particular order.

ARMY SELECTION AND OTHER BITS

Army construction is moving back to percentages.

All from Avian (more likely):
25% max characters (includes mounts)
25% min core
50% max special
25% max rare

I am just going to spell this out how it is. People have seen printed in GW rulebooks 25% max characters and 25% lord 25% hero. I think many GW stores will be basing their demonstrations on 25% lord 25% hero. Make of that what you will.

Just so I am clear on this, as there has been some misunderstanding, you can have a lord level character leading a small army if you want to (within the points), you don't have to take a hero as you do currently. I have heard nothing about unit champions being the general

Allied Forces
Allied forces will not get a % allocation. However, rules for using allied forced (i.e. an updated allied forces chart) are in the rulebook.
Allies are now split into 3 groups:

Forces of Order: High Elves, Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Empire, Dwarfs and Brettonia

Forces of Destruction: Chaos of any kind, Skaven, Greenskins, Dark Elves (edit. Vampire Counts may go here).

Neutral: Ogres and Tomb Kings

The allies rules are intended to be used by more than 2 players. You are not supposed to use more than one armybook in your army.
Allies are allowed to use the other army General’s leadership, but cause panic in units of the other army if they are forced to flee. If an allied unit is forced to flee through another ally from a different group, the stationary unit counts as dangerous terrain. I.e. High Elves flee through Warriors of Chaos.
Categories for core/special/rare are remaining.
Special Choices: No more than 3 of the same type - Examples; No more than 3 units of Chaos Knights, or 3 units of Forsaken etc in the same army.
Rare Choices: No more than 2 of the same type - Examples; No more than 2 Hellcannons, or 2 Chaos Giants etc in the same army.


These numbers are increased when having games of 3000 points or more. (Up to 6 special and 4 rare). High Elves ignore these restrictions.

There will be a system wide errata to clear up issues for each army.
You may measure distances whenever you want.


MOVEMENT

Standard Movement
Measure the distance for the furthest moving model, and perform whatever manoeuvres you wish within that lax limitation (i.e. they all move like fast cav currently do, minus the reform).
(edit: It seems I am very close with this, the champion one is only by process of deduction. Still awaiting further confirmation on all this)

Standard Bearer = Re-roll one of the charging dice
Musician = +1" Charge bonus
Champion = One free reform

(edit: As it has caused some confusion, these are all only additions to what all the command models currently do)

Charging.
Rumoured to be:

Infantry M1-M6 = Basic Movement value + 2D6
Fast Attack M7+ (Cavalry and fliers) = Basic Movement value + 3D6 use 2 highest)
+1CR for charging. -Avian (more likely)


Fliers
Move 10 " and march 20 ". They ignore terrain whilst moving. While fleeing or pursuing, they use their ground movement. (note: the ground movement part may not be entirely correct)


Marching.
Movement distance as normal. When there's an enemy within 8", the unit has to pass a leadership test to march. Not sure how this applies to Dwarfs.


Reforming
Units may reform once, but may neither move nor shoot the same turn. If the unit has a musician, it may move afterwards, or shoot. (Note: I'm pretty sure I'm missing some details on that one.)


Heavy cavalry - Avian says this is possibly speculation
- Rumoured to be something like this:
All infantry and cavalry models (i.e. smaller than ogre sized) with a passive non-magical save of 3+ or better cannot march move. I.e. heavy armour and shield would allow you to march, as the +1 HW & shield is only in combat.

Brettonians and Dwarfs will be exempt

Skirmishers
Skirmishers are now a fixed formation, with a 1 inch gap between each and every model. -Avian and Kah-thurak - Note. The gap between them may actually be the same size as the base width.

X = Model
O = 1" Gap between

X O X O X O X O X
O O O O O O O O O
X O X O X O X O X

Still rank up in combat. May or may not have 360 Line of sight.

MAGIC

NOTE: The magic rumours nobody seems to agree on, so rather than try and find what exactly the truth is I will just put here most of the theories

Edit: I've sorted out the ones that seem more likely, based on the info from anonymous sources:

Generating Power and Dispel Dice
Power dice aren’t generated by the number of spellcasters. The amount of dice is decided by 2D6. The active player gets the total as power dice and the other player the highest throw as dispel dice (throw 3+5, = 8 PD and 5 DD). (confirmed)

Channeling (confirmed that it exists)
Each wizard may roll a D6 and generate an additional power dice on a roll of 6.
Each enemy wizard may roll a D6 and generate an additional dispel dice on a roll of 6.
You may not channel while fleeing, off the board or when you suffer from stupidity..

Maximum Power and Dispel Dice
The maximum number of power or dispel dice you may have at any time is 12. This includes any power/dispel dice generated by special rules, spells and/or magic items.

Casting Spells
To cast a spell, roll 1 to 6 Power dice and add your caster's power level. EG: A Slann casts fireball and uses 2D6. He rolls a 3 and a 4 - score of 7. He than adds his Power Level of 4, which results in a total roll of 11.

Miscasting
Here is where I think we need a lot more information.
It is rumoured that miscasts are entirely gone, but are replaced by a combined irresistible force/ miscast table effectively:

When you roll a double 6 the spell is cast with irresistible force, but the Caster has to roll on the "lost control" chart, which is devastating, and far more worse than the current miscast table.

Lost Control Chart
Roll of 1: This has been confirmed as being even worse than number 4… Which (pure speculation) may involve every model in the unit taking a hit, this was something I actually heard a while back, but it could be worse than this.

Roll of 4: The wizard is sucked into the warp and the large template is centred over him. S10 hits for something (could be the centre model, meaning S5 for the rest?).

Bound spells
Bound spells are cast like normal spells now, but instead of your caster's power level, you add the level of the magic item. (Not 100 % sure on this one)
Every magic user has access to the pool.

Most spells generally have a basic and an up-powered version (more likely) – Avian

Lore of Fire
Some spells will scale up. One Example is Fireball; which sounds like it could be D6 S4, or 2D6 S5, or 3D6 S6 hits.
Lore of Metal
One spell from the Lore of Metal: Swap the enemies armour save for their toughness, e.g. 1+ save and toughness 3 becomes toughness 1 and 3+ save.
Lore of Shadows
One spell you can switch the position of two characters that are 'within 18"' (not sure if they have to be within 18" of each other, or just to the caster).
Something rumoured is carrying over power dice, but holding too many could lead to a ‘magic backlash’. Wizard will recieve wounds or hits if he didn't use the excess power-dice (than originally allocated) at end of the turn.
Each lore to get a mega spell.
Spells can be chosen, not rolled for, but can't be duplicated in the same army with the exception of the first spell of the lore -Avian (more likely)
If a wizard fails to reach the casting value, it's a miscast. -Avian (more likely)

Spells are now categorized. There are: Missiles, Curses, Buffs, Direct Damage and Power Whirl spells.
Missiles: Require Line of Sight and may not be cast into close combat.
Curses: Modify enemy stats and/or equipment
Buffs: Support your own troops
Direct damage: Spells that use templates or apply to the whole target unit.
Power whirls: Apply to all of the battlefield or move across the table.!?

Each lore has an additional effect. For example:
Lore of Shadows: After the wizard successfully casts a spell, he may switch places with another friendly character of the same unit type.
Lore of Death: For each wound caused by lore of death spells, roll a D6. On a roll of 5+ you are granted an additional power dice.
Lore of Fire: If the enemy suffered a from a fire lore spell earlier this magic phase, the caster is granted a Bonus of +3 when casting a fire spell upon the same target.
Lore of Metal: Direct damage spells from the lore of metal have no strength value. Instead the unmodified armour save of the target is the required roll to wound. This causes flaming attacks and ignores armour saves.

And the other rumours:
Each spell can be cast once per magic phase, regardless of how many casters there are. - Avian says this is possibly speculation

Dispel scroll only adding dispel dice (+2 dice to the dispel dice pool once per game). (edit - possibly speculation)

SHOOTING

Bows fire in 2 ranks as standard.
Units armed with bows, short bows and longbows fire in two ranks. Units armed with handguns, crossbows, anything else fire in 1 rank - Avian and someone else, so I'm considering this confirmed now.
Missile units will not gain a rank when shooting from hills. -Harry I think

Salvo Fire
A rumour I heard a while back was that units with bows (see above), could fire with more than just 2 ranks. What I am being told now is that regardless of the width of the unit, a unit with bows may shoot with an additional half a rank behind the 2nd. I.e. 12 models wide, 3 ranks (36 models). 12 front rank, 12 2nd rank, 6 3rd rank = 30 shots.

True Line of sight
Units draw true line of sight. You are considered in cover when shot at through another unit, granting a -1 or -2 penalty on to hit rolls. Note that someone else has said this is more likely as well.

War Machines
Weapons using the flame template or large or small blast templates automatically hit any model in contact rather than cause partial hits. If you are touched, you are hit. -Avian and someone else, so I'm considering this confirmed now

War Machines: There'll be no guessing anymore. You place the template (or point of impact) where you want the weapon to hit and roll normally for scatter. Take with a big pinch of salt at this stage.

Change to Wound table
All the ‘N’ are replaced with a 6… I’m taking this one with a fair bit of salt.

COMBAT

NOTE: Trying to nail down what the facts are here is very hard. Some of this is only my understanding of what has been discussed.

Supportive Attacks

Infantry models in the second rank can fight, with a maximum of 1A per model. - Avian/Harry. Great weapons can only be used in one rank. – Godless.
This is only for models fighting to the front. Units charged in the flank or rear only fight in 1 rank, but being charged in the flank or rear will not stop units fighting in multiple ranks to the front.
Most special rules apply as normal. however... Whatever combination of weapons/ special rules/ spells/ whatever, infantry can only ever attack with 1 attack per model in the second and subsequent ranks.
Spears +1 rank as normal, but one attack only (fighting in 3 ranks).
Spearelves may fight with an additional rank as normal (citzen levy).
Cavalry still only fight in 1 rank.
This does not apply to Monstrous Infantry, who are rumoured to fight with their normal number of attacks from the second rank (more likely).

Stepping up. – Harry/ Avian / other people
Casualties are strictly removed from the back. [extremely likely].

Horde
10+ wide units attack with one rank more than normal. There are no other requirements to be a Horde. - Avian

Stubborn
If you are only engaged to the front and have more ranks than the opponent, you are Stubborn. - Avian/Harry

Unit Strength
Unit Strength is completely gone, lots of things are altered to compensate for this. -Avian

Rank bonuses
Unchanged. Up to 3.

One Save.
A model can always take an armour save. They can then take either a ward save or a regeneration save.


Monstrous Creatures
40mm models moving to 3 model-wide ranks. Ogre sized models are officially being put into their own size category (finally).

Crush them!
Monstrous Cavalry and Monstrous Infantry are granted 1 bonus attack with the "always strikes last" special rule, at base strength

Destroy them!
Larger Creatures and Monsters do D6 attacks instead of 1 attack for crush them.


Striking in Initiative order
Combat will always strictly be resolved in initiative order (confirmed).

Chariots
S7 autokill is gone. - Avian (more likely)

Outnumbering Enemy
There will be no CR bonus for outnumbering the enemy.

Flank/ Rear charges & Combat Resolution
Units need to have at least 2 complete ranks in order to negate enemy flank/rear. (more likely)

Change to Wound table
All the ‘N’ are replaced with a 6… I’m taking this one with a fair bit of salt.

Breath Weapons
Now apply in close combat, dealing 2D6 hits with the breath weapons strength. This is in initiative order. At the moment it looks like it will be in addition to regular attacks, not instead of.



WEAPONS

Combat Weapons

Great weapons Always strike last (this overrides any army book rules). Can only be used in the first rank. - Godless


Missile Weapons
Longbows Same. See shooting above for more rules

PSYCHOLOGY and SPECIAL RULES


The number of universal special rules has doubled. Presumably this is just drawing in some from the army books themselves.


Panic
If a large unit panics, ie. 30 Orcs, they panic all smaller units within 18 inches. But if your general is withing 12 inches you are immune to panic.. Take this with a lot of salt.- Avian says this is possibly speculation(Avian)


Fear and Terror
When you charge a Fear or Terror causer you take the Fear/Terror test not before you charge, but at the start of the combat phase. - Avian

If you fail the Fear/Terror test you are reduced to WS1 & A1. Presumably mounts are reduced to WS1 & A1 as well.

Terror comes with a chance to run away.

Autobreaking from fear or terror is gone.
Leadership tests against fear is rumoured to be going
Fear and Terror incorporate immune to panic (with possibly a change to crumbling for undead).

Killing Blow
Killing blow only against models in a similar size category or lower (large creature>ogre sized> infantry/cavalry sized)
(edit: apparently this is close, but not quite right). Killing blow is still a roll of 6.

Always Strike Last
Models with great weapons will always strike last

Always Strike First
ASL combined with ASF cancel each other out. Strike in initiative order.

However ASF + higher initiative than your enemy: Reroll to hit rolls. So even if Swordmasters and White Lions are striking in initiative order they may get re-rolls to hit!

Frenzy
You still get +1 attack on the charge (front rank only). You may suppress charging with a leadership test. If you fail, you have to attack the closest target.

Magic Resistance
This has been changed to improve an existing Ward Save, or to grant a Ward Save to magic.

Magic Resistance 1 = +1 Ward Save against Magic. For a unit without a ward save this is 6+
Magic Resistance 2 = +2 Ward Save against Magic. For a unit without a ward save this is 5+
Magic Resistance 3 = +3 Ward Save against Magic. For a unit without a ward save this is 4+

For things that already have a Ward Save, Flesh Hounds for instance, they have a 5+ Ward save already, and MR(3). This gives them a 5+ save against shooting/ combat, and a 2+ Ward Save against magic.

Regeneration
Regeneration will come in several types. The Slanns ability for example will grant him Regeneration (3+), while there is a mundane magic item that grants regeneration (6+).


MAGIC ITEMS

Apparently there is an absolutely HUGE list of magic items in the book… Could easily be 50+ (possibly 85). There is a chance you may not be able to duplicate most of them in a list.

OTHER RULEBOOK CONTENTS

Multiple objective driven scenarios in the rulebook (no kill points). See GW grand tournament and doubles scenarios.


15 or so missions in the new rulebook. 9 or 10 of the missions required units to capture objectives (not just core). Units must have banners to capture objectives. Several missions had multiple objectives


Victory Conditions
Interestingly something I picked up from a post was that ‘victory conditions’ have been referred to in the last 3 books, not victory points.


A section in the rulebook dealing with specific issues that may arise during battles


Terrain
Difficult terrain may be merged with very difficult.
D6+4 compulsory terrain.
Terrain will not just affect the movement phase so much but will affect fleeing units, like in the War of the Ring game.
The rulebook includes terrain rules for all the GW products.
Bonuses and hazards for terrain (such as rolling the dice to see how many people don’t make it out of the wood...). This appears to be D6 for every model, on a 1 a model is lost. This is only the tip of the iceberg…
Finding a magic item in the woods.
Something to do with a unit charging out of a cursed forest causing fear. - Avian says this is possibly speculation
Fighting in woods is -1 CR for ranked infantry and +1 CR for skirmishers. Might be worse for cavalry. – Avian

There are rules for dangerous terrain, and for some unit types different types of terrain are treated as dangerous.

Discredited rumours
Fight-until-someone-breaks
Lapping around
Armour Save Modifiers changing. They’re not.