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Incidentally have we heard anything reliable about having no zero level spell? As far as I can tell people seem to have decided that because it's in the demons rulebook it can't be in for Dark Elves while at the same time, ironically, using the fact that reckless is in the High Elves book as an argument in it's favour. Which is a bit inconsistant.

I don't see any reason why it couldn't still be on the table as a potentail rule.
I also happen to think it's pretty cool. In a list with 2 level 2's and a level 4 you can cast 7 power dice worth of spells (try to draw out dispells) then (potentially) cast the 0-spell 3 times (on a 3+ thanks the the +1 to cast rule) and have all your wizards back up to 4 dice.
The last rumour we heard about the 0-level spell was that any power dice not used that are generated from the that spell cause a S5 hit on your sorceress. In which case it's a damn good thing that they can cast above their dice limit.

Ok, so - Summary of what we know so far regarding Dark Elf Magic in the new edition.

Reckless is likey not in there. - The only person who's seen the play test rules that we know of says he hasn't seen it and doesn't know any play tester that has. Looks like it was wish listing.

+1 to casting rolls is likely still in - again thanks to Lord Aries for information on this.

Dark Elf wizards have no limit on the number of dice they can use on a casting roll - This one has been around for ages and is pretty concrete by my reckoning. (I will almost certianly attempt to cast a spell on 8 or 9 dice in my first game. Just for laughs.)

There is a possible 0-level spell similar to the boon of tzeentch.It will grant bonus powerdice but causes hits/wounds for unused bonus powerdice at the end of the phase. - Unsure about this rumour seems likely to me but then Lord Aries has said no. He also said he wasn't paying to much attention to magic. Anyone know anything solid? This rumour appeared along with the rumours about Repeater Hand Crossbows for corsairs and they turned out to be true.

There is a magic item that allows sorceresses to sacrifice either models in the same unit or her own wounds for bonus power dice. - Again this has been around for ages (and was in the same rumours that told us about repeater hand bows for corsairs) - I consider this one confirmed.

Dominion is likely gone to be replaced with some kind of spell that grant frenzy. - Haven't heard about this one in a while.

Soul Theif can now target any single model and causes a wound with no save which is transferred to the sorceress. It likely has a limit of twice her starting wounds. - Another old rumour which has gone unconfirmed for a while now. Seems reasonable though.

Black horror to gain increased range. - Meh. Probably true. No big deal though.

Chillwind to gain +1S. - Probably true - thanks to Lord Aries again.

Two casting values for Doombolt. - Another long unconfirmed rumour recently confirmed by Lord Aries.

Right this is the situation as it stands now. What do we think?

It seems like alot of the rumours from the rumour roundup thread are coming true so that's probably a good basis for further discussion because I'm nice I've transcribed most of them here.

Kheirakh kirjoitti:

No nyt voit ostaa jo sellaisia modeleita mistä pidät ja tosiaan kannattaa mennä kesätöihin senkin vuoksi että dark elffit ovat todellakin tulossa elokuussa.

Odotus on ollut pitkä ja toivottavasti meidät palkitaan ruhtinaallisesti kesällä!

JudoJappiainen kirjoitti:Warseerissa uusi hydra, cold one knightit, corsairit ja sorceress. Suora linkki:

http://ulthuan-naggaroth.over-blog.com/ ... 52840.html

Half-breed kirjoitti: Mitäköhän muuten tapahtuu kärryille, kun niitä ei käsittääkseni muuteta, mutta näille jäisi sitten nämä vanhat kylmiöt?

"So I got to read over the Dark Elf book today, and God it is nice! Basically most of the rumors were wrong that I've seen at least.

Lots of little bits from what I remember:

Everyone gets Hatred, and Eternal Hatred against High Elves

Lokhir Felheart, the Corsair hero, get an extra attack per rank bonus
Kouran, acts as a unit champion and makes the Black Guard unbreakable
Tullaris, the Executioner champion, is a bit of a paper tiger, just make sure he strikes first, and you're almost guaranteed a dead Character
Malekith is in but the Destroyer and Hand of Khaine are now one weapon, that takes away magic levels too

On the magic item side,
There are Hydras Teeth which can be used as a stand and shoot reaction, causing D6 S3 hits per tooth used, you get 5 to start with.
A nifty little Ward save that is the inverse of their strength. So, if you get hit by a strength 2 hit, roll equal or less than the strength to block the attack, but a 6 always fails. So for S6+ you have a 5- Ward Save
Web of Shadows is in
The Draich give +2 S on the charge, striking at initiative, and subsequently +1 S
Gifts of Khaine don't count against magic weapon allowance any more

For magic,
All the spells are back, plus one that creates extra power dice, but if you don't use those dice, you take wounds

Units
Executioners, do NOT auto wound, in fact they haven't really changed at all
Black Guard are Stubborn and Immune to Psychology
Witches are sick, and can really be bolstered by the Cauldron, which can move now, still can't be hurt and can give units with 18" a 5+ Ward amongst other things.
Corsairs can get hand bows, which count as an additional hand weapon in close combat, or shields, for a 3+ save
Repeater Crossbows and Bolt Throwers stay the same as they are
The Hydra is nasty now, along with the Manticore having Killing Blow

This was just a quick glance over the book, I may have a more detailed summary later on in the week."

JudoJappiainen kirjoitti:Taitaa tuo jopa hieman tyrmätä stereotyyppistä suhtautumista haltioiden panssareihin.

Half-breed kirjoitti:

JudoJappiainen kirjoitti:Taitaa tuo jopa hieman tyrmätä stereotyyppistä suhtautumista haltioiden panssareihin.

Miten niin. Delffithän on aina olleet ne parhaiten panssaroidut haltiat, joten mitä uutta siinä on, jos ne nyt saa isot panssarit väelle.

JudoJappiainen kirjoitti:

Half-breed kirjoitti:

JudoJappiainen kirjoitti:Taitaa tuo jopa hieman tyrmätä stereotyyppistä suhtautumista haltioiden panssareihin.

Miten niin. Delffithän on aina olleet ne parhaiten panssaroidut haltiat, joten mitä uutta siinä on, jos ne nyt saa isot panssarit väelle.

Siis mitä hemmettiä? Viittaatko nyt figujen ulkonäköön?