HELSINKI FANATIC 2 31.3.-1.4.2007 Helsingin Messukeskuksessa

[saimon]

Hello. I believe there will be somebody willing to translate the rules pack into English. I can do it too, if nobody else has the interest to do so. You want both the FB and 40k rules or just either one of them?

[supic]

i play both FB and 40k
but 1750pts is too much for bringing with me so I'd stop with 2000pys of FB

[Cannonball]

I'd be glad to translate for you! It'd be good practice, since my English Exam is tomorrow I'll get right to it.

Would you like to have it in your e-mail or shall I just send it in your Private Messages?

Cannonedit: Translated most of the Info and Rules, as well as the scebarion rules. Took a bit over an hour. I'll send them to your private messages. Just ask if you'll need any more translating assistance

[Guzlob]

Lohkeaako kisleviittejä allied contingenttina?

Entä Gryphon Legionia rarena Empirelle, as per Chronicles 2004 p. 20?

[Rejector]

Lohkeaako kisleviittejä allied contingenttina?

Entä Gryphon Legionia rarena Empirelle, as per Chronicles 2004 p. 20?

Kaipa se Kislevin sisällyttäminen sallittuihin armeijoihin tarkoittaa juurikin sitä. Ei kai sitä kukaan hullu itseni lisäksi stand alone -armeijana pelaa.

[supic]

Kiitos Cannonball!!! That'l really help.

Can I ask some more?
1- what is wysiwyg here? for example - should skeletons in LA be converted to have this LA?
2- what exactly are those markers? and what are their dimensions?
3- did i get it right that there are no restrictions on army list?
4- what kind of armies are usual here? heavy magic?

[Mölli]

Mitenkähän on, lasketaanko maaorjilta saatuja lippuja kun katsotaan kumpi saa 100 pistettä enemmistä lipuista?

Sääntöhän sanoo jotta maaorjien liput eivät anna yhtään ylimääräistä VP:tä jos ne haltuunotetaan... tulkinnanvaraa on.


-Mölli

[Karu]

Kiitos Cannonball!!! That'l really help.

Can I ask some more?
1- what is wysiwyg here? for example - should skeletons in LA be converted to have this LA?
2- what exactly are those markers? and what are their dimensions?
3- did i get it right that there are no restrictions on army list?
4- what kind of armies are usual here? heavy magic?

1: You get 0-3 tournament points for wysiwyg - 0 points means your army looks roughly the same as the units you have marked in your list (Using unarmoured skeleton-models as ones armoured isn't so bad, so I bet they can be used), 3 points is for absolute wysiwyg e. g., you have to model all magic items (including dispel scrolls), warpaints etc.
2: Dimensions are 20x20mm - 60x60mm
3: Nothing radical - you must have 4 scoring units in your army (unit with unit strenght 5+, single models don't count). And Thorek can use his re-roll only once.
4: Cheesy

[Cython]

Mitenkähän on, lasketaanko maaorjilta saatuja lippuja kun katsotaan kumpi saa 100 pistettä enemmistä lipuista?

Sääntöhän sanoo jotta maaorjien liput eivät anna yhtään ylimääräistä VP:tä jos ne haltuunotetaan... tulkinnanvaraa on.

Maaorjathan ovat tällöin poikkeus siitä tavallisesta säännöstä, jonka mukaan lipuista tippuu se 100 VP/lippu.
Tällöin voidaan ajatella, että vain ne liput, jotka sääntökirjan mukaan antavat oikeuden 100 ylimääräiseen VP:en, otetaan huomioon lippuenemmistöä laskettaessa.

[Cannonball]

As for the markers, you build them by yourself. The points you are awarded from them depend on how well they're done and how well they fit with your army.

[supic]

2Karu - Thorek? Special chars are allowed??? So if CHEESY is the metagame so there will be lots of Thoreked dwarfs?

about markers - so that can be for example another wooden terrain for wood elves??

[hc_andersen]

Thorek is toned down. His not that hot with only one re-roll per game.

As for counters, you might want to think of something that stands out a bit more, and is smaller (base-size). A tree-stump should do fine. Maybe with some pretty flowers.

[Cannonball]

Yea, anything that fits the theme of your army. So for example, tombstones and graves for undead, or perhaps a herdstone for beastmen, warpstone chunk for skaven etc.

In short, anything that has a base of said size and is something related to the looks, ideologies, homeland terrain and background story of your army. The more creative, the better, of course. On the other hand, you might just as well bring adequately sized pieces of cardboard, but don't expect to get army points or respect from them.

[supic]

i see
so then what kind of armies are there to expect?

[Oberon]

From spectators point of view, top-armies were in the last fanatic: Gunline-empire(steam tanks, maybe), Thorek-powered gunline of dwarfs, many wood elves, and chaos. Of course many played other armies too.

[spjarv]

It's considered fashionable to cry on foreign forums how tough finnish metagame is, especially among the younger players. They do that to make their meager achievements more impressive. Apparently a foreigner on finnish forum also counts as proper target for this.

You can probably ignore scared teenagers exaggerating things. There will be the usual number of over the top armies, standard amount of tough armies and most importantly, swarms of Normal Armies. But if you choose to bring effective army of whatever flavour, nobody will consider it bad form.

-Sami

[Amazing Slug]

Miten ekassa pelissä on tarkoitus ratkaista mitä maastoa objektiivit ovat? Riidellään? Minulle ei ainakaan kelpaa metsäksi mikään parin basen kokoinen 60mm*60mm pläntti, oli siinä kuinka monta puuta tahansa.

Tokassa pelissä ratsu, sotavaunu tai hirviö jää pois pelistä. Eli treeman ancient kompastuu omaan oveluuteensa ja jää kentän ulkopuolelle ? Mutta ei varmaan koske ogre charruja?

Minulla on butchereille taika markkereita, jotka ovat aika simppelin näköisiä. Ne ovat normaaleja mustia teksturoimattomia baseja, joilla on värikäs kivi. Lasketaanko ne teksturoimattomiksi jalustoiksi ja nollaavatko ne pisteet siltä osiolta?

[supic]

2spjarv: well, I'm not afraid of cheese or beard i just want to know what to be prepared to. lots of thoreks is one and lots 2nd Slaaans is different. lots of wood elfs? well, it will depend on terrain - if there will be LOTS of forest then bringing my dwarf army (anvil yes, thorek - no) is not too good option...

[Cython]

2spjarv: well, I'm not afraid of cheese or beard i just want to know what to be prepared to. lots of thoreks is one and lots 2nd Slaaans is different. lots of wood elfs? well, it will depend on terrain - if there will be LOTS of forest then bringing my dwarf army (anvil yes, thorek - no) is not too good option...

I will probably be playing with my balanced Dark Elves with nothing too cheesy.
I've noticed that one can have fun and stand a chance playing in a tourney with a so called "normal" list instead of classic cheesy min-max list, but it depends of a person.
Of course you have to have competitive list if you don't like an idea of being massacred in 4 turns. All-infantry dwarves won't be fun to play in this tourney for example.
As said before, there is lots of normal lists being played too so you should not be too afraid of meeting cheesy or otherwise not-so-fun-to-play-against armies.

[Guzlob]

It's considered fashionable to cry on foreign forums how tough finnish metagame is, especially among the younger players.

Those kids should just learn to bend over and take it without unseemly whimpering or squirming. Like us older gentlemen. The national metagame may be painfully hard, but it can be accommodated with suitable alcohol-based lubricants.